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Post by High-Heeled Spider Crab on Dec 18, 2014 11:49:45 GMT
Welp, I decided that we probably should agree on one of the fundamental concepts of this universe. Everyone's input is appreciated, and sought after! Don't be afraid to put your ideas across, cause it's important that we all can at least somewhat agree on this. I know already certain members of the forum will have a lot more to say on this topic than others, but please try to be open-minded with this! To start, everyone just post your idea about how you think they work, with as much detail as you think you can describe. After that's done we can discuss and refine, until, hopefully, we arrive at a canonical consensus! Let the lore-building commence!
To start with I'll just quickly post my views on this, considering I already typed it up in the Shoutbox:
My understanding of the zones is: they are dimensions, that exist parallel to a universe. Like a zone doesn't contain a universe, and a universe doesn't contain a zone. You can destroy a universe, but it will still be present in another Zone. Like, 'universe' refers to the place, 'Zone' refers to the set of rules that it has.
But there is something tying them together, I would think. I would guess, a universe's concept? So if one were to devour or otherwise destroy the concept of a place, it would be eradicated, which is how the Primordial Concepts destroyed the multiverse so many times. However, you could destroy all of the zones of a universe, by destroying/eating a zone, then shifting, and devouring it again, or perhaps by some method of existing in multiple zones at once, which several characters can already do. Entities have a similar basis, but do not always have more than one 'zone'. But they can. For example, The Mind Weaver, being a shard of the Primordial Concept 'Thoth', exists in every zone in the space she currently occupies, but she can choose where to manifest. That's how her glamour works, actually! Additionally, not all zones are accessible to all entities. For example, if a being cannot exist or does not have the capacity to exist in a world, for example, made entirely of colour instead of matter, then they will simply be shunted into the nearest compatible Zone, in the same location. This can be fatal, however, depending on the entity.
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Post by Grigor Mortis on Dec 18, 2014 12:22:22 GMT
Welp, I decided that we probably should agree on one of the fundamental concepts of this universe. Everyone's input is appreciated, and sought after! Don't be afraid to put your ideas across, cause it's important that we all can at least somewhat agree on this. I know already certain members of the forum will have a lot more to say on this topic than others, but please try to be open-minded with this! To start, everyone just post your idea about how you think they work, with as much detail as you think you can describe. After that's done we can discuss and refine, until, hopefully, we arrive at a canonical consensus! Let the lore-building commence! To start with I'll just quickly post my views on this, considering I already typed it up in the Shoutbox: My understanding of the zones is: they are dimensions, that exist parallel to a universe. Like a zone doesn't contain a universe, and a universe doesn't contain a zone. You can destroy a universe, but it will still be present in another Zone. Like, 'universe' refers to the place, 'Zone' refers to the set of rules that it has. But there is something tying them together, I would think. I would guess, a universe's concept? So if one were to devour or otherwise destroy the concept of a place, it would be eradicated, which is how the Primordial Concepts destroyed the multiverse so many times. However, you could destroy all of the zones of a universe, by destroying/eating a zone, then shifting, and devouring it again, or perhaps by some method of existing in multiple zones at once, which several characters can already do. Entities have a similar basis, but do not always have more than one 'zone'. But they can. For example, The Mind Weaver, being a shard of the Primordial Concept 'Thoth', exists in every zone in the space she currently occupies, but she can choose where to manifest. That's how her glamour works, actually! Additionally, not all zones are accessible to all entities. For example, if a being cannot exist or does not have the capacity to exist in a world, for example, made entirely of colour instead of matter, then they will simply be shunted into the nearest compatible Zone, in the same location. This can be fatal, however, depending on the entity. my definition of zone is inconsistent, just like Bogleech's, but they generally mean different planes of reality as a catch-all. They exist in massive clusters that are often separate. An entire Zone is powered by the various layers of reality, which eventually, if peeled, lead to the main concept. The main concept will start tearing apart the zone itself if it's damaged. Dreadflame exists for the entire purpose of instantaneously peeling off Layers. (This also works on creatures, meaning those who are burnt by Dreadflame will slowly be flayed down to their bones, which will then be flayed to a mere concept, until that too is destroyed.) If a large amount of Dreadflame is ignited, it will actually eat almost the entire Zone, adding to its flame, and then move onto other Zones. It was specifically engineered to Zone-sift elsewhere if it runs out of concept to consume. In theory, if a chain reaction was caused, an entire Zonal Supercluster could go down in mere days... |
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Post by Louis on Dec 18, 2014 13:26:09 GMT
I think of zone as basically a universe in its own. The zone is what describes the universe and its properties. For example, here in the grey zone we all know and love, we have gravity and stuff. Other zones may have completely different properties, perhaps no gravity, or even no matter. The term universe and zone are intertwined, but zone is the more common use because of the multiverse theory,and "universe" could be something completely different to a different species. I believe due to this, the term "zone" became the common term.
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Post by Xward on Dec 18, 2014 14:30:13 GMT
So what would be the term for the super-duper-chocolatey-ultra-fudge-covered-universe-zone-omega-cluster-reality that the three gods rule over?
Because 'Consequence's' backstory and to an extent Xward's relies on there being alternate ones
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Post by Durga on Dec 18, 2014 14:38:20 GMT
So what would be the term for the super-duper-chocolatey-ultra-fudge-covered-universe-zone-omega-cluster-reality that the three gods rule over? Because 'Consequence's' backstory and to an extent Xward's relies on there being alternate ones Ooh! I call Dibs on naming it the Quantum Fudge Cluster. My theory on Zones is close enough to Weavers that whatever I've got planned can be edited enough to compensate any differences. And also Xward has a point, I've also got a couple of characters from an entirely different reality outside of the main story. That particular reality being so different that these characters can't really effect or be effected by anything currently known. |
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Post by Xward on Dec 18, 2014 14:42:05 GMT
So what would be the term for the super-duper-chocolatey-ultra-fudge-covered-universe-zone-omega-cluster-reality that the three gods rule over? Because 'Consequence's' backstory and to an extent Xward's relies on there being alternate ones Ooh! I call Dibs on naming it the Quantum Fudge Cluster. My theory on Zones is close enough to Weavers that whatever I've got planned can be edited enough to compensate any differences. And also Xward has a point, I've also got a couple of characters from an entirely different reality outside of the main story. That particular reality being so different that these characters can't really effect or be effected by anything currently known. Mine relies on there being an absolutely dead Quantum Fudge Cluster That's what I meant when I said 'consequence' has survived universal destruction |
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Post by Durga on Dec 18, 2014 15:24:19 GMT
Ooh! I call Dibs on naming it the Quantum Fudge Cluster. My theory on Zones is close enough to Weavers that whatever I've got planned can be edited enough to compensate any differences. And also Xward has a point, I've also got a couple of characters from an entirely different reality outside of the main story. That particular reality being so different that these characters can't really effect or be effected by anything currently known. Mine relies on there being an absolutely dead Quantum Fudge Cluster That's what I meant when I said 'consequence' has survived universal destruction Here's a scale of what I've got pegged for zones and whatnot, from biggest to smallest in descending order: Reality: Fleelix Tier, everyone and everything. Including everyone's ideas and plans, everything beyond the fourth wall and in real life, and everything that could have been, has been, is, and will be. Existence: Yeshfix Tier, everything fictional. All timelines, alternate or canon. Contains everything else. Omniverse: Santa Tier, contains multiple multiverses and timelines that pertain to them. Multiverse: Fanfic Tier, All possible occurrences and timelines of a single set universe. I.E. one universe where Xward is a bottle of cranberry juice and the known one where he is a pissbottle are contained here, but both have Xward in them. this can become more abstract, but we'll jump that hurdle when we reach it. Dimension/Timeline/Quantum Fudge Cluster: 3 Gods/New Gods tier, a single set of occurrences for a single universe. Date Night, Awful High, Awful Sitcom, and all other non-canon threads are a separate Dimension/timeline from the actual month threads. Zone: TPC Tier, a single set of rules and laws that effect a single universe. more abstract and lenient then Timelines. Contains several universes. Layer: Tabula Rasa/ Tier, contains several universes, but grouped with other layers in the same zone. Universe: Shard Tier, a place that physically exists. Contained within layers and zones. Galaxy: Zeren Tier, Big place within a single universe. plenty of varieties of life World/planet: Earth Tier, A planet. Individual: Green Tier, a single person. This is all just my opinion of the whole thing, and there's plenty of room for editing. Zones are fairly abstract though, and actual scale could vary. |
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Post by Grigor Mortis on Dec 18, 2014 21:22:21 GMT
There are totally dead clusters out there but the Gods don't just have domain over any one Cluster, back in ancient times they went to wherever they fucking could to go at each others and brought everything down with them each time.
The entire reason the "Outside", Zone Clusters that do not follow the same rules as the others, exists is so that other people can facto in their otherworldly characters without toppling the entire mythos in order to make one little thing (perceiably) more powerful than the Three Gods. Point is, the Three (Six?) Gods are way topper Tier than what you put them as, aside from fleelix-land.
The Three Gods don't have any single "Domain", they were born in the Primordial SuperCluster and destroyed all the others several times over in an bloody war that let loose superweapons like Dreadflame, which HAS burnt entire superclusters into ash before. You can always make Clusters that were not present in the Forgotten War, via existing in the Outside, home to your new baddies.
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Post by Xward on Dec 18, 2014 21:28:07 GMT
There are totally dead clusters out there but the Gods don't just have domain over any one Cluster, back in ancient times they went to wherever they fucking could to go at each others and brought everything down with them each time. The entire reason the "Outside", Zone Clusters that do not follow the same rules as the others, exists is so that other people can facto in their otherworldly characters without toppling the entire mythos in order to make one little thing (perceiably) more powerful than the Three Gods. Point is, the Three (Six?) Gods are way topper Tier than what you put them as, aside from fleelix-land. The Three Gods don't have any single "Domain", they were born in the Primordial SuperCluster and destroyed all the others several times over in an bloody war that let loose superweapons like Dreadflame, which HAS burnt entire superclusters into ash before. You can always make Clusters that were not present in the Forgotten War, via existing in the Outside, home to your new baddies. To be fair you kinda kept this a bit vague |
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Post by High-Heeled Spider Crab on Dec 18, 2014 21:29:26 GMT
There are totally dead clusters out there but the Gods don't just have domain over any one Cluster, back in ancient times they went to wherever they fucking could to go at each others and brought everything down with them each time. The entire reason the "Outside", Zone Clusters that do not follow the same rules as the others, exists is so that other people can facto in their otherworldly characters without toppling the entire mythos in order to make one little thing (perceiably) more powerful than the Three Gods. Point is, the Three (Six?) Gods are way topper Tier than what you put them as, aside from fleelix-land. The Three Gods don't have any single "Domain", they were born in the Primordial SuperCluster and destroyed all the others several times over in an bloody war that let loose superweapons like Dreadflame, which HAS burnt entire superclusters into ash before. You can always make Clusters that were not present in the Forgotten War, via existing in the Outside, home to your new baddies. It was my opinion that there were other, smaller clusters located beyond the Outside. Like, there's the BIG SUPER DUPER CLUSTER where the Primordial Concepts could go wherever they liked, then outside that is the Outside, but there are smaller clusters scattered, like islands, with hostile conditions, but still home to life. Sometimes, home to powerful, godlike life. Such as the TPC, Azershull (or however it is spelt), and Ur-metel (robit) |
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Post by Grigor Mortis on Dec 18, 2014 21:35:29 GMT
There are totally dead clusters out there but the Gods don't just have domain over any one Cluster, back in ancient times they went to wherever they fucking could to go at each others and brought everything down with them each time. The entire reason the "Outside", Zone Clusters that do not follow the same rules as the others, exists is so that other people can facto in their otherworldly characters without toppling the entire mythos in order to make one little thing (perceiably) more powerful than the Three Gods. Point is, the Three (Six?) Gods are way topper Tier than what you put them as, aside from fleelix-land. The Three Gods don't have any single "Domain", they were born in the Primordial SuperCluster and destroyed all the others several times over in an bloody war that let loose superweapons like Dreadflame, which HAS burnt entire superclusters into ash before. You can always make Clusters that were not present in the Forgotten War, via existing in the Outside, home to your new baddies. To be fair you kinda kept this a bit vague I was keeping it vague for Mystery's sake as to how far the Gods exactly went, but I expaliend it here to avoid further confusion. There are totally dead clusters out there but the Gods don't just have domain over any one Cluster, back in ancient times they went to wherever they fucking could to go at each others and brought everything down with them each time. The entire reason the "Outside", Zone Clusters that do not follow the same rules as the others, exists is so that other people can facto in their otherworldly characters without toppling the entire mythos in order to make one little thing (perceiably) more powerful than the Three Gods. Point is, the Three (Six?) Gods are way topper Tier than what you put them as, aside from fleelix-land. The Three Gods don't have any single "Domain", they were born in the Primordial SuperCluster and destroyed all the others several times over in an bloody war that let loose superweapons like Dreadflame, which HAS burnt entire superclusters into ash before. You can always make Clusters that were not present in the Forgotten War, via existing in the Outside, home to your new baddies. It was my opinion that there were other, smaller clusters located beyond the Outside. Like, there's the BIG SUPER DUPER CLUSTER where the Primordial Concepts could go wherever they liked, then outside that is the Outside, but there are smaller clusters scattered, like islands, with hostile conditions, but still home to life. Sometimes, home to powerful, godlike life. Such as the TPC, Azershull (or however it is spelt), and Ur-metel (robit) Yeah, that could work! I just don't want the Primordial Beings being treated like footnotes in another villain's story when they destroyed the multiverse thousands of times in a war that's literally so long it's been forgotten. |
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Post by High-Heeled Spider Crab on Dec 18, 2014 21:39:05 GMT
To be fair you kinda kept this a bit vague I was keeping it vague for Mystery's sake as to how far the Gods exactly went, but I expaliend it here to avoid further confusion. It was my opinion that there were other, smaller clusters located beyond the Outside. Like, there's the BIG SUPER DUPER CLUSTER where the Primordial Concepts could go wherever they liked, then outside that is the Outside, but there are smaller clusters scattered, like islands, with hostile conditions, but still home to life. Sometimes, home to powerful, godlike life. Such as the TPC, Azershull (or however it is spelt), and Ur-metel (robit) Yeah, that could work! I just don't want the Primordial Beings being treated like footnotes in another villain's story when they destroyed the multiverse thousands of times in a war that's literally so long it's been forgotten. Indeed, but I think that other's should be able to be as powerful as them, as long as it has sufficient explanation! I mean, I think the concepts are strong enough to stand on their own through sheer reputation and history, and a whole lot of lore about them being present in the story, backed up by actual power. |
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Post by Xward on Dec 18, 2014 21:39:29 GMT
To be fair you kinda kept this a bit vague I was keeping it vague for Mystery's sake as to how far the Gods exactly went, but I expaliend it here to avoid further confusion. It was my opinion that there were other, smaller clusters located beyond the Outside. Like, there's the BIG SUPER DUPER CLUSTER where the Primordial Concepts could go wherever they liked, then outside that is the Outside, but there are smaller clusters scattered, like islands, with hostile conditions, but still home to life. Sometimes, home to powerful, godlike life. Such as the TPC, Azershull (or however it is spelt), and Ur-metel (robit) Yeah, that could work! I just don't want the Primordial Beings being treated like footnotes in another villain's story when they destroyed the multiverse thousands of times in a war that's literally so long it's been forgotten. Yeah I won't make anything more powerful than the three gods but I want 'Consequence' to be the survivor of a supercluster |
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Post by High-Heeled Spider Crab on Dec 18, 2014 21:41:51 GMT
I was keeping it vague for Mystery's sake as to how far the Gods exactly went, but I expaliend it here to avoid further confusion. Yeah, that could work! I just don't want the Primordial Beings being treated like footnotes in another villain's story when they destroyed the multiverse thousands of times in a war that's literally so long it's been forgotten. Yeah I won't make anything more powerful than the three gods but I want 'Consequence' to be the survivor of a supercluster That's easy you can totally have that! Perhaps the second biggest supercluster? What exactly is consequence? I mean, has he changed at all, or has he always been godlike? |
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Post by Grigor Mortis on Dec 18, 2014 21:46:47 GMT
I was keeping it vague for Mystery's sake as to how far the Gods exactly went, but I expaliend it here to avoid further confusion. Yeah, that could work! I just don't want the Primordial Beings being treated like footnotes in another villain's story when they destroyed the multiverse thousands of times in a war that's literally so long it's been forgotten. Yeah I won't make anything more powerful than the three gods but I want 'Consequence' to be the survivor of a supercluster Consequence can totally have survived a supercluster dying! How did it die exactly, do you already have it in mind, normal heat death? |
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